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Q: What do you think of debentures and do you think this is a good way to possibly hold as a proxy for ones bond side of your portfolio? How are they different from preferred stock? Do you think PBH are a good choice of company to hold them with? I have cash coming out of GIC's and am looking for a better rate now that GIC interest has gone down. Is the Div of 5.5% safe and is it considered interest or div for Canadian taxes? Is it good to get in or wait with a new issue regarding the price- do they tend to fluctuate with the market? Thanks so much.
Asked by Pat on March 21, 2025
5i Research Answer:

Debentures rank higher than preferred shares so can be considered safer if the company gets into trouble. Most are secured by all assets of the company but many are (legally) unsecured. PBH.DB.J are convertible debentures, so can be considered part debt/part equity. However, for now the conversion price is well above the stock price. Thus, the debentures will act like regular bonds until and/or if the stock moves higher to be closer to the conversion price. If the stock moves to the conversion price, the debentures will start trading more in line with the stock price. We are comfortable with PBH and the debentures, but we would note they are not guaranteed as GICs are. The market value will also fluctuate and can be sensitive to interest rates (unlike fixed-rate GICs). We would see them as one part of a fixed-income allocation, but in no way would we compare them directly with the safety of a GIC. The income is taxed as interest. They are 'safe' as long as PBH can produce cash flow in excess of its interest/repayment obligations. We would not expect issues but there could be if the company ran into serious financial trouble down the road. Note that in a crisis the company could pay off the debentures with stock issuance.